PriestWizard

Latest pondering... priest is not liked really at all... wizard isn't highly popular any more either

• Remove Priest as a class
• create priest as remort-only, cleric-only sub-class
• This would allow a cleric/priest to use mana or memorize for any spell (or mixed)
• would need to decide which would be consumed first (mana or pray)

Same for wizard...

only I was thinking to remove scribe from wizards... and create a sorcerer-only sub-class that has been talked about before... Spellweaver

Spellweaver

• Must be a sorcerer/wizard (high level 30 wizard required) (creating a sorc/wiz/sw combo)
• scribe, in two forms...
  • First, works same as scribe does now...
  • Second (at higher levels), create scrolls that grant casts (grant scrolls)
• Leveling requires something complex, or at least not as simple just exp or kills

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Just some thoughts... What if the wizard/priest as a subclass gets expanded beyond sorc/cleric. Could we have a necromancer wizard? Does priest/wizard get combined into spellweaver? (i,e why have both pray and memorize if they accomplish the same thing - the main difference between priest/wizard currently is healing vs damage). Maybe the grantable scribe is a secondary guild... Sorcerer -> Spellweaver -> Spellgranter - have to be a lvl 30 Spellweaver to enter the Spellgranter guild.

Also, lets try to think of exploits if we allow the combination of mana and memorize/prays. Are there any? --Gargamel

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I don't think exploits will be an issue. I almost think of it as granting the ability to "backup" your mana with memorized reserves. But we could also do something like, if they've memorized a spell, it won't use mana at all for that spell until all the mem's are spent (and semi-perm or whatever it's call now could still work into that). But it's something that would need some testing to see how it would actually work out. It would be really easy to create the sub-class now so we can play with it, and not have to touch the existing class. Who knows, after testing, it could still be a bad idea :P

I didn't consider Necro in the mix, but I probably should have. I know in essence, the semantics of how priest and wizard are the same, but it's still a role-play aspect (if we decided to allow a sorc/wiz/priest, the spellcast system could handle you having some mem's, pray's and consume mana for spells). I wouldn't want to make a Cleric/Wizard combo available, unless the cleric was gaining some more offensive spells in the mix, it sound weird to me. A Necro/Wizard makes sense to me though. We could even expand it as AntiPal/Wizard and Paladin/Priest.

I'm not sure about separating the grant type to another sub-class, unless we could come up with diff things for both the sub-classes to do besides the scrolls. I was thinking the spellweaver (or maybe a different name is in order) could learn how to do things like create wands and staff's along the way. Maybe it should be considered a profession instead of a sub-class? Because they're focus is creating physical objects (another thought). Actually, along that line, it makes sense to have another guild that builds upon it... hmm... but it still would need more to it than that... which is also why I was thinking it should ahve to do something non-traditional to level so it can get these new abilities.

--Brazil 18:38, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

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Very interesting ideas.. I think some people would really like the Apal/Wiz Pal/Pr combo ... people are starting to consider those classes as viable crossover classes (which was always the intent i think).

I see your point about maintaining the separation between priest and wizard from a roleplay perpsective.

Priest is vastly different than Wizard currently though, as they lack the scribe ability. Would we want people to be able to create large quantities of Cleric spells in the form of scrolls? (heal/restore/etc). Priest in itself could become a completely different beast altogether as a cleric/paladin enhancement-guild. Could potentially be more holy damage oriented. Could consider having healing boosting spells.

Things to consider regarding Cleric -> Priest.. Everyone has a cleric, and plays it with almost all their multi's. Do we want every cleric to become a priest? If we end up branching the guilds out further, like my idea for warrior (Knight and Berserker - can't be in both guilds at the same time) - is there a viable alternative to Priest that would work for Clerics as well as a 2nd guild? Do we make the experience/leveling much more difficult for Paladins, as they're not naturally healing oriented as clerics?

--Gargamel 21:43, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

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I'm going to say potions instead of scrolls for cleric/priest... I wan to do alchemist some day, but maybe that's not practical, so I'm not opposed to doing something else if there's a better idea... I see you didn't do the cleric sub-class, so there went that idea :P I'll have to think about that one.

--Brazil 04:03, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

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I've decided to concentrate on wizard for the moment. Priest is a beast that scares us, so we can work out the kinks in one at a time.

I compared wizard and sorcerer spells / skills, and the differences are quite low. This is what I've come up with for wizard as a sub-class.... the only thing actually missing is powerword kill.

  Name               Level
Memorize                1
improved memory one    10
Copy                   15
improved memory two    20
major create           28
improved memory three  30

Memorize is what would grant the ability to memorize anything. I'm not sure if improved memory three should be on the list, but there it is for now.

After I finish the Knight skills, I'll create a wizard sub-class for playing with.

--Brazil 16:27, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Then again... because priest is so unloved, it would probably be better to start with priest... it'll get a bigger impact being first.